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Old 08-19-2016, 06:44 PM
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Ordering a new Miller welder

I have finally been given the ok to buy a Miller Inversion 352 with the d74 feeder and the aluminum push pull option.

I was able to get everything set up today with my LWS. Have to write the check on Monday, and I SHOULD have it Thursday.

I am going to mostly weld 1/8 aluminum square and rectangle tubing.

Does anyone know of a reason not to buy this? Is there something better.

I already have a Miller spoolgun, and it works ok. I have issues with my wrist and can't use the spoolgun very long.


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Old 08-21-2016, 10:17 AM
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I really hope you meant Invision 352 MPa and The d74 MPa plus feeder

I tend to think dual feeders can be a pain but if your switching between 2 different size wires or types of wire all the time

If your going pulsed mig a good as a system as any starting from scratch

If your going to be going at this all day long you might want to look at the Aluma Pro Lite guns

Just a thought
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Old 08-21-2016, 03:30 PM
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Yes invision 352. Looks like spell check got me.

Why would you do the Aluma Pro over this one? The reason I decided on this one is I could also do steel. The Alumapro is only aluminum.

I have a lot of 1/8 and 1/4 tube and channel to do.

I have been using the spoil gun with the 252 and it is hard on my wrist.


If I am buying a new welder, I am wanting the best option.


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Old 08-21-2016, 05:19 PM
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Well if your going to be running a dual feeder the one side can be set up to do steel with what ever regular gun you like best .

The other side with the Aluma Pro lite gun which is smaller and lighter then the regular Aluma Pro gun .

After all day one does tend to like the lighter gun if your doing lots of out of position

you never really said just what push pull gun you were getting .

because of the Nylon liner (any push pull gun) running steel wire will abrade the liner in no time .
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Old 08-26-2016, 08:07 PM
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Just got the delivery notice. It will be delivered Monday between 2 and 4!!

I decided on not getting the true dual feeder option. That was going to be an extra 1500.00 .

The package is supposed to include everything except the wire and cylinder and gas.

Now the wait is on!


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Old 08-27-2016, 05:09 AM
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Really unless your switching back and forth between to different type wires

like .052 and .023 a few times a hour

Or steel and Aluminum or stainless that extra $1500.00 can be better spent else where.

This is for EVERY ONE !!!!!

Please do your self a favor sit down and read the owners manuals for the power source and feeder and gun. Any new equipment !!!

I get so many complaints for machines doing just what they are supposed to do.

If you have a problem address it so many muddle along with the machine in warranty waiting till the warranty expires Maybe hiring a new welder who says " This is not supposed to do this"
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Old 08-30-2016, 10:22 PM
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Well here it is.

Wyoming9- I had no choice but to read the instructions. This thing has way too many parameters to chose from.

The worst part is it does not have a cheat sheet or any type of starting point.

The manual says what each setting does, but not what you "should" set it at.

Lots of scrap aluminum, and rereading the manual and we have ok looking welds. Better than the spool gun.

After another day of playing with it, I will take some pictures of the welds


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It is a trial and error Process .

I could set the welder up for me and the next person would be so lost .

We all weld different

I am sure you know to keep the gun as straight as possible

Is that feeder going to work for you on that Running gear ??

I see them hanging mounted to a I beam

On a very low cart on the floor

What ever it takes to work the best
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Old 09-01-2016, 08:21 PM
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No I don't like the cart, but it came with it. The feeder that is on the my 304 is mounted on a swing arm. I like that set up better. When I move to the other side of the shop, I will mount both of them to two swing arms. Or at least that is the plan.

My welds are getting better, but not photo worthy.

I have 3/64 wire in it, but I think it is too large for 1/8 walled tubing.


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Old 10-09-2016, 04:25 AM
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It has been a month or so

How are things working since you I hope got it all dialed in??

Now is the time to get things adjusted if things are not working quite correct

Rather then put up with something not working correct

In this day changes come so fast one needs to read the operators manuals at least 25% of my work comes from people to smart to need a manual!!!
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Old 10-09-2016, 07:52 PM
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For welding aluminum this is a great welder. On the down side, it is a pain in the *** to setup. For the past 30 years I have used voltage and wire speed to set up mig welding.

Now once it is set up, all you have to do is adjust the wires speed and everything changes.

We did have a problem setting it up, and the Miller area rep. came out to the shop and helped us get it dialed in.

There are two of us who use this welder and he uses program 3 and 4, I use 1 and 2. This feature makes it nice, I don't screw with his settings and he leaves mine alone.

The arc length is also a different type of setting. I am getting used to it though.


The only real problem is with cold starts. The first 1/4 to 3/8 inch of a weld is cold looking. We have tried everything to make it stop, but it is constant. We were told it was the nature of the beast. We just put this spot in a place we know where we are going to grind the weld anyway. If you have a suggestion I would love to hear it.


These welds are so nice, I am thinking about building an aluminum gooseneck trailer if I can find a good set of plans.

I don't have any pictures, but when we slow down I want to take a video through a welding hood to show how it welds.

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Please forgive me I just have been so very busy .

Every time I start to look into this I get pulled in a very different direction.

My first thought is did the Hot Start feature some how get turned of during the set up??

Some customers turn them off on purpose because it is to hot.

A picture of the start would be a big help

It should not do this but it might be this new generation hoping to get one in to experiment with.
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I will be using it again next week. I will some pictures.

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