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Old 03-04-2020, 08:23 PM
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the new flu

nothing else new here,so why not?
personally, i think the world is in panic for no reason.
i'm from canada and from what i've always heard about 3500 canadians die every year from the flu.
my mother included.
that's about the same death rate as this new "pandemic"
so why the big deal, it's the flu which mutates every few months or years just like any other virus.
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Old 03-05-2020, 02:23 PM
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Technically it's the new cold, since COVID-19 is a newer mutation of the common cold Coronavirus. What's not common about this cold is the relatively high mortality rate.

According to the World Health Organization (WHO) globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected. (source). So while it may not (yet) be as wide spread as the flu, resulting in fewer total deaths so far, it is still something to take seriously.

Does it deserve the ridiculous echo and debate on a 24 hour "news" cycle? I don't think so. I also don't think it needs to be an us-vs-them politicized thing either. You characterize the world as "in a panic", but I honestly think that's just the 24 hour "news" and politicians stoking the flames from both sides.

Just pay attention to the CDC and WHO experts on infectious disease and make your own decisions based on their recommendations. Try to keep it from spreading, because while you may not personally be at much risk, the older population has a really hard time fighting this one off.

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Old 03-06-2020, 01:28 AM
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I agree, much ado about nothing.
I've seen deathrate estimates of regular flu from 0.1 to 1.5. This one has been tracking at 1.9 to 2.3 according to the numbers I've seen published (deviding total cases by deaths as published on various media). Apparently some flus have as high as a 35% deathrate.
Another thing I've read but not confirmed is that this bug has an outer lining that regular soap will dissolve, killing it dead.
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Old 03-06-2020, 12:03 PM
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Another thing I've read but not confirmed is that this bug has an outer lining that regular soap will dissolve, killing it dead.
Yes that's true. Even HIV (AIDs virus) can be killed by plain old soap and water.
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Old 03-06-2020, 01:45 PM
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Even though this Virus poses a small risk.
Though at a higher statistical threat of contagion... Did I say that correctly?
There are activity's that I am going to 100% avoid like; Air Travel, Cruse Ships, the Mall, Theme Parks, etc.
Easy for me as I already avoid such places

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Old 03-09-2020, 03:41 PM
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I hide in my shop. No worries. I hate being in public too many people with no clue about off roading. Or is that not the viral thing you are speaking of?
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Old 03-10-2020, 10:08 PM
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Have not changed my routine at all.
I live in a very rural farming commuity and have seen no sign of anyone else altering their days either.
Our local events that actually draw crowds are still several months away.

From what I have seen the effect of this one varies depending on how available modern medical treatment is.
In #&@% countries it's around 5% lethal, here in the U.S. much less of an issue at 1%.
Still not a truly minor issue as these deaths are added to the regular flu.
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Old 03-12-2020, 06:32 PM
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just in case some of our members aren't the sharpest crayons in the pack,
NO,,, massive amounts of cocaine and bleach will not kill the flu!!!!
well, it will, but like i read somewhere, no host no flu.
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unbelievable what some people think
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Old 03-16-2020, 12:03 PM
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In #&@% countries it's around 5% lethal, here in the U.S. much less of an issue at 1%.
Today's stats from John Hopkins: 3,813 confirmed cases and 69 deaths or about 2%. It's likely the number of cases is very under reported though since testing has not been widely available so you are probably right about US having a 1% or less mortality rate currently.

My understanding is that high death rates have been occurring not so much in "#&@%" countries, but more so in countries where the healthcare systems have become overwhelmed by the numbers of cases coming in. Italy for example stands at 24,747 cases with 1,809 deaths or 7%. Italy is not a third world country; they have a modern health care infrastructure. But their system was overwhelmed when this spread quickly through their population. It got to a point that people could not receive the basic care needed to survive this and other ongoing diseases. I've read about people in hospital hallways and outside being triaged and dying in wait.

I think all the measures being taken now (school closures etc) are intended to slow the spread so hospitals can keep up. Even though right now the case numbers are still small relative to other diseases like the flu, if COVID-19 spreads quickly/exponentially like it has in other countries, our system is also projected to be overwhelmed. We just don't have the excess capacity in terms of number of beds, doctors, nurses, oxygen supply, medicine, etc. to cope with a huge influx of patients. Even though most people that get COVID-19 will have mild or no symptoms, the older and compromised population will be struggling and they are the ones that will fill our hospitals.

FYI there is an interesting interactive dashboard/map on John Hopkins website that shows current stats https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
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Old 03-17-2020, 01:05 PM
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Have not been out yet today, it may be interesting.
Rumors of virtually all retail but grocery stores being ordered closed by Governors fiat!
Rumors of roads being closed down too.
I'm self-employed and CANNOT just stay home.
I'm not in a "Hot" zone, this is farm country with a very low population density.
If the rumors are true I may need bail.
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Old 03-17-2020, 01:28 PM
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R3Fab - I was watching/listening to the White House update this morning. Mnuchin said they are planning to somehow send cash directly to individuals "immediately"; no details on exactly how that will happen yet. Hopefully it helps people like you that are self employed.

My sister is a waitress living paycheck to paycheck working at a local restaurant. She's very concerned about the number of people she comes in contact with daily and equally concerned about losing her income when/if restaurants close table service. It seems inevitable that will be happening soon. I will do what I can to help.

Below is the trajectory the US is on currently - we are tracking on a very similar path to some of the hard hit countries like Italy, Iran and S. Korea. Italy has experienced a particularly high mortality rate - roughly 7% now; I've heard that is a combination of insufficient capacity/supplies/equipment at hospitals and a relatively older population. We have a similar capacity issues, but I don't think our population is skewed older the way it is in Italy so hopefully we fair better.



Latest numbers as of 3/17 10AM PST was 5,218 confirmed cases and 92deaths due to COVID-19. Rough mortality rate of 1.8%, although testing is still ramping up.

Symptoms lag infection by 5-10 days. Testing lags symptoms. Therefore we are always behind on the numbers. If cases are not reported or low in your area, that does not mean it's not already there. Like early saving for retirement, limiting interactions early on has a dramatic impact to the future number of cases/spread. I suggest taking the advice of the CDC, WHO, and now the president and Whitehouse staff to limit social activity/physical interactions.
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Old 03-17-2020, 03:37 PM
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Old 03-17-2020, 07:16 PM
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personally, i stayed home today and just had a call from the site superintendent.
he was pissed i wasn't at work so i told him i was working from home, it didn't go over well.
did i mention i'm a self employed drywaller and the job was wet because he's an absolute idiot and won't let me open the windows to let the humidity out?

i thought the working from home thing was funny but he sure didn't
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Old 03-18-2020, 12:07 AM
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Hard to believe our NV Governor decreed the destruction of our state economy today.
Even closed the casino's, so the silver lining is that he's almost certain to be a one term wonder even if he survives the current recall effort. Good, I despised him even before this.

Since the politicians are busy claiming extraordinary powers for themselves, without an actual declaration of Martial Law, I'm equally self-empowered to declare MY business to be "Essential".
It's certainly essential to my livelihood and ability to pay bills!

I would go stir-crazy trapped at home, so I will continue going to my shop as normal.
Hopefully my SWAG air-over adapter will still show up via USPS this week.

So far the Gov. has not gone so far as to try to close the roads, really no way to do that if he tries.

Our economy cannot afford to be shut down for a full thirty days or longer, the paranoia has to be tempered sooner than that.

As to sending out a trillion or two dollars to "Help the economy", that's nuts too.
Do we really just devalue the dollar overnight and expect that to improve everything, really?
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Old 03-19-2020, 08:28 AM
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Relief in 3 - 6 days, for real!

All is not lost and this debacle may be of much shorter duration than some elements are hoping for.

PDf of a study that had an extremely good result using two readily available and inexpensive drugs.

https://www.mediterranee-infection.c...l_DOI_IJAA.pdf

Results are being replicated in other studies but you have to search for them as this does not support the continued Panic/Gov. power grab.

If you take the time to study the report look for the Green line in the graph.
100% relief in six days.
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Old 03-19-2020, 08:35 AM
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Link no good.
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Old 03-19-2020, 01:55 PM
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Lets try this one.

Looked this up this morning.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/186B...IlWSHnGbj/view
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Old 03-19-2020, 10:14 PM
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" this does not support the continued Panic/Gov. power grab."

so what you're saying r3fab also means man never landed on the moon and the earth is flat and elvis is alive and well living with his new bride princess diana?

do you REALLY think this is a power grab/conspiracy thing?
c'mon, really?
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Old 03-19-2020, 10:52 PM
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Where do you get all that?

Have you not seen the news of several politicians from mayor on up abusing this to grant themselves extraordinary powers?
Such as ordering the closure of totally unrelated business, gun shops and liquor stores for example, while keeping the pot stores open!

One thing anyone who has ever paid attention should realize, EVERY time Gov. Org. finds an excuse to take more control of our lives they never give back all that was taken.

"Never let a good crises go to waste".
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Old 03-24-2020, 05:28 PM
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so there is a silver lining in all this.(at least in canada)
if they do shut down all but essential services for 2 weeks,and i think they should and hope they do,liquor stores are deemed essential. lol
also pot stores,but i don't do that.
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